Political Graydon Issue Heats Up
Council candidates and deputy mayor attend Preserve Graydon Coalition meeting.
Updated: 1:20 p.m.
Marcia Ringel didn't have to say so, as it was apparent by the presence of two Village Council candidates and the deputy mayor—"Graydon is a political issue."
At last night's Preserve Graydon Coalition meeting, pool naturalists presented further data they believe justifies their cause, in addition to introducing a geological expert and council candidates Bernadette Walsh and Thomas Riche.
With Preserve Graydon supporters Suzanne Kelly and Alan Seiden, Ringel justified squashing a request for proposals application for financial, environmental and safety reasons.
"We need to tell the council we're not in the financial position to move forward and to just say 'No,'" said Kelly, also a member of the pool subcommittee. She said despite her and Gene Callaghan's opposition, the committee will recommend issuing an RFP shortly. Council may discuss it April 7.
Although the application is an open call for ideas, she said the language points toward a concrete pool—despite lacking the word "concrete."
Last night at Temple Israel, Kelly outlined several arguments she shared in a March 19 Ridgewood Patch article. A newer development, though, was Graydon's financial impact.
After looking at proposals at subcommittee meetings, Kelly said any concrete project could total around $10 million. The coalition disputed the Ridgewood Pool Project's initial claim that Graydon would and should support itself.
If 6,000 members joined at $150 a badge, the pool's revenue would total $900,000. However, annual bond payments of $600,000 plus an estimated $717,000 operating budget (based on figures from Stony Brook) puts the pool in a $450,000 deficit.
That view considers debt service that may or may not be fair to lump in with Graydon's operating budget. Nixing the village's debt service payments, Graydon would produce an $183,000 surplus.
Either way, debt service is currently Ridgewood's third highest budget item, Ringel said citing the village's budget.
A geologist with degrees from Rutgers University and the Stevens Institute of Technology, Charles Stebbins outlined three environmental permits he believes would be difficult to secure for a renovation to occur.
Stebbins said the permits were open to interpretation from the Department of Environmental Protection, but he believes the village would need to fulfill Flood Hazard Area, Storm Water Management, and State Open Water obligations. Rejection of any of those areas would set the project back and cost additional money to secure passage. However, the state may not require Graydon to meet any or all of those requirements.
An interesting hypothesis advanced by Stebbins involved Graydon's relation to the nearby Ho-Ho-Kus Brook. He suggested that the brook formerly ran through Graydon and was diverted around 1910—as indicated by historical Sanborn maps showing different pathways in 1906 and 1911. Currently, an unnamed, underground tributary links the two, he said.
Stebbins said a hydraulic connection exists between the two bodies and pressure from the brook could damage a potential concrete-bottomed pool.
The two present candidates were juxtaposed to Brian Dowd and Doug Cronk, the latter being the husband of RPP member, Melinda. The Preserve Graydon Coalition believes Dowd and Cronk will approve a cement pool if elected. The candidates themselves say they remain open to ideas, but Graydon's declining membership needs to change.
Cronk told Ridgewood Patch today that neither he nor Dowd were invited to the meeting.
Ringel pledged support to Walsh and Riche, and urged residents to do the same. An audience member suggested that people should make election decisions beyond the scope of Graydon. Ringel retracted her comments, noting that many important issues face the village.
Running separately—Riche said he and Walsh just met—the two candidates spoke on why they supported Graydon.
"Change can be a positive thing, but to change for a few individuals who want it is not worth it," said Riche, the father of a former Graydon lifeguard.
A longtime Graydon member, Walsh said when relatives visit they want to swim at Graydon.
"I definitely want to see Graydon stay as beautiful as it is now. I'd hate to see people drive by and miss our treasure," she said.
In a question-and-answer session, audience members lambasted the village for continuing Graydon development talks.
The only sitting council member in attendance, Deputy Mayor Keith Killion remained diplomatic.
"This is a pivotal point in Ridgewood history... We want to make sure we're informed on this as long as it takes. And you can't get rid of one side of the argument," Killion said.
Initially, the deputy mayor only wanted to listen and refrain from speaking, but he said he needed to clarify some misconceptions.
"It's not about who yells more... It's a big project either way, and we want to make an informed decision."
At tonight's Village Council meeting, the council will discuss a free coupon giveaway to lure residents back to Graydon, organizers said. If approved, residents may take their family to the pool for one day before July to experience it for themselves.
The meeting is at 7:30 p.m. at Village Hall.
Click here to view the Preserve Graydon Coalition's presentation.
Click here to view the Ridgewood Pool Project's final report.
More from the web
- Slideshare Preserve Graydon Coalition
- Google Sites Ridgewood Pool Project Final Report
Beth Meleski
2:56 pm on Wednesday, March 24, 2010
Just want to make sure I have this straight. The Village just found out that they will be receiving less money from the state than they thought. And they have said there will be layoffs at Village Hall. But they won't raise fees to use Graydon. And two Council candidates support leaving Graydon as it is, complete with a regular yearly operating deficit of over $100,000. That's right a deficit of over $100,000. Every year. Does that seem reasonable?
Alan Seiden
3:50 pm on Thursday, March 25, 2010
Hi, Beth--Unless I'm mistaken, the deficit numbers you cite started only a couple of years ago, rather than being "regular" or occurring "every year." In any case, though, everyone shares your concern with the state of Village finances. Right now the most constructive action is to tell everyone about Graydon's improved, clean, clear, water, and suggest that they use this year's coupon to visit one day and see for themselves.
Sam Fran Scavuzzo
4:41 pm on Wednesday, March 24, 2010
Hi Beth, thanks for the comments. Those are some very valid concerns you've raised. Just wanted to chime in that it's expected for the Village Council to endorse a rate raise at the pool at tonight's meeting. Thanks for reading!
Sam Fran Scavuzzo
4:43 pm on Wednesday, March 24, 2010
Also, thanks for the slides, Alan. I was having trouble getting the whole slideshow up there.
LKW
8:57 pm on Wednesday, March 24, 2010
The Preserve Graydon Coalition has had 9 months to come up with ideas to bring people back to Graydon. What have they come up with?
1. Courser sand
2. An additional aerator
3. One free day for families to try Graydon.
SO readers are you going back to Graydon?
bill fontes
11:49 pm on Wednesday, March 24, 2010
i'll be back with bells on with my wife and kids. unless of coarse the coast is prohibitve. and pool is cement
Alan Seiden
8:45 pm on Sunday, March 28, 2010
Leigh, let's appreciate the fact that the Village has successfully tackled Graydon's murkiness issue. The water in summertime is now clean and clear. Why keep complaining? The problem is solved. Please be part of the solution and let people know that the water is clean and good to swim in. Thank you.
Cy Caine
12:23 am on Thursday, March 25, 2010
I just read both reports at the links provided in this story. While I've been a luke warm supporter of the Ridgewood Pool Project, my support has evaporated given the budget cuts that are about to hit the schools. Seems like folks are concerned with rearranging the deck chairs around the pool while the schools are sinking. If anything is going to get additional funding in the village right now it should be our schools. The weight of the proposed cuts are horrific.
And you know what, I was pretty darn impressed by the thoughtful arguments put forth by in the slide deck prepared by the Presever Graydon folks.
Tom P
7:53 am on Thursday, March 25, 2010
When we first moved here, the RPP kept telling us how dirty the water was at Graydon and to join one of the pools in the surrounding towns, which we did. We tried Graydon last year when it was opened to everyone for free and could not believe how wonderful it was. We are definitely joining Graydon this year.
Melvin Freedenberg
10:41 am on Thursday, March 25, 2010
Hello, anybody home? Take off your rose colored glasses and stop smoking whatever you are smoking. To expect that 6,000 residents are going to pony up $150 each to support the Taj Mahal of concrete swimming pools is ludicrous. That is to say that Crazy Eddie is just a nickel away from going back into business. Doesn't anybody realize that the use of Graydon is dependent on what the youth of Ridgewood are doing with their time during the summer months? Is it "cool" to go to the pool that their ancestors went to? I think not. Today's youth is into anything and everything associated with Twitter, Facebook, Google, Wii, cell phones, notebooks, laptops, and the like. Most of them were forced to go to Graydon when they were toddlers and now they have better things to do. Unfortunately, Ridgewood has a philosophy of "build it and they will come." Well, the youth of Ridgewood isn't coming to the old Graydon and they won't come to the new Graydon. Just a fact of life and to me a loss of $100,000 a year is much better than a $10 million dollar bond, and a big taxpayer burden. No matter what you do, you can,t put the egg back in the shell. Didn't Six Flags, Great Adventure file for bankrupcy last year? Will Blockbuster suddenly become the darling of Wall Street? Times have changed. Get over it and move on.
Cy Caine
11:14 am on Thursday, March 25, 2010
Melvin - I agree that " a loss of $100,000 a year is much better than a $10 million dollar bond, and a big taxpayer burden."
Beth Meleski
12:54 pm on Friday, March 26, 2010
Cy - I agree that the school budget should be tantamount in all our minds right now. Of course, you know that the BOE budget and the Village budget are completely separate, right? As for the $100,000 loss, I just feel sorry for the 27 Village employees who might be losing their jobs this year. That $100,000 could probably save at least one job.