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Preserve Graydon Endorses Pucciarelli, Killion and Shinozuka

Group criticizes Aronsohn, mum on Forenza and Hauck.

Following the candidate's debate that saw a , the Preserve Graydon Coalition (PGC) on Tuesday publicly expressed support for three council candidates.

In a message sent to supporters, co-chairs Alan Seiden and Marcia Ringel urged members to vote for planning board vice chairman , Mayor Keith Killion and candidate .

"All three are Planning Board members who support Graydon’s inclusion on the Village’s historic site list," the organization said in its statement. "We believe they will enact effective, prudent policies to keep Graydon natural and make it increasingly successful."

Beyond expressing support for the candidates they feel best represent their interests, the organization's leadership didn't shy away from criticizing Councilman , who made a public plea to voters to support himself, Pucciarelli and at the Monday night debate.

"Mr. Aronsohn has demonstrated a lack of sensitivity and independent thought about Graydon, which he has used for political grandstanding," PGC wrote, criticizing Aronsohn's 2009 op-ed in which he supported renovating the pool.

"His attempts to demand the construction of a useless, unsafe $75,000 concrete ramp into the deep end of Graydon despite our proposed alternatives for a full year belie his claims of frugality and concern for accessibility," PGC said.

Aronsohn on Monday night did not mention any possible sweeping changes. Instead, he said the village needs to focus on increasing membership within the village and also .

The organization, which has fought any efforts to transform the sand-bottom swimming area into a concrete pool, made no mention of candidates Russell Forenza – – and Gwenn Hauck in its endorsement statement.

"I want to state emphatically for the record that I want to make no changes to Graydon Park," Hauck said Monday night in response to a question from the audience. "And I'm not interested in building another swimming pool in Ridgewood because we don't have the funds right now."

Graydon and in recent years opponents pushed for an exploration of a request for proposals (RFP) that would have seen a .

Water quality also came into focus after the family of a . PGC (waterpark-like equipment) over products that would help make the water clearer.

Previous recipients of Preserve Graydon's political endorsements, , were elected in 2010 and Steve Wellinghorst  after the death of Annie Zusy.

All three were also endorsed by Concerned Residents of Ridgewood, a grassroots group that has opposed the Valley Hospital expansion plans. Much like the hospital expansion skeptics, Preserve Graydon candidates have not lost an election.

Elections take place Tuesday, May 8. Three seats are up for grabs, each a four-year term. 

Anne LaGrange Loving May 02, 2012 at 01:21 AM
Regarding whether Graydon Pool is a swimming facility: it most definitely is! No, it is not sterilized with tons of chlorine or bromine each day, as concrete pools are, and in many ways that may make it better all around for a human body. Why in the world do people think that submerging oneself in water that has been heavily treated with chemicals is “safe?” Yes, of course there are some microbes in Graydon, but the water is tested regularly to ascertain that safe conditions are in place. From what I understand, the water is aerated with diffusers and treated with natural chemicals, making it cleaner than a sedentary lake. Moreover, the natural flow of water from the brook keeps it moving, which keeps the microbe levels lower. Those who are so vehemently opposed to Graydon as a swimming facility are hysteria-inducing alarmists. For heaven’s sake, such municipal swimming facilities are in use throughout the world. I am a clinical microbiologist and I have never, ever had a concern about swimming in Graydon; we swam in it for many summers when our daughter was growing up in the 1980’s and 1990’s, and now we have the great pleasure of enjoying it once again with our granddaughter. Not once has anyone in my family developed an infection that could have been attributed to swimming in Graydon. Graydon is a lovely place to spend a summer day; please leave it as is.
Anne LaGrange Loving May 02, 2012 at 01:22 AM
Regarding the loss of money from Graydon: enough already! How much money is spent on electricity to light the sports fields? Every single time a game is played under the lights the Village is “losing” money. I am sure there would be an unbelievable uproar if the Village started charging a fee to those who play the games and those who watch them. Which brings me to my point: why does Graydon have to turn a profit? Indeed, why does it even have to “break even?”
Anne LaGrange Loving May 02, 2012 at 01:24 AM
Regarding candidate Hauck’s Monday night quote: "I want to state emphatically for the record that I want to make no changes to Graydon Park. And I'm not interested in building another swimming pool in Ridgewood because we don't have the funds right now." This COMPLETELY CONTRADICTS what she stated in her February 21 interview with The Patch, when she said: “ . . . another village-owned clear-water pool would be a nice asset to Ridgewood. A lake is no longer acceptable to people. People want clear-bottom pools. And Graydon is not a clear-bottom pool.” For those voters who wish to preserve Graydon, I would recommend against Ms. Hauck. For those voters who wish to elect candidates who are consistent in their positions on any important issues facing the Council, I would recommend against a candidate who cannot even agree with herself.
Concerned Ridgewood Dad May 02, 2012 at 01:54 AM
Mrs. Loving, The issue is not whether or not Graydon is cleaner than a sedentary lake or dirtier than a chlorinated pool. The issue for me is that outspoken people like Ms. Ringel insist on calling it a "pool" when the water quality at Graydon DOES NOT MEET STATE SAFETY STANDARDS for "pool water". The water quality of Graydon passes tests for "Pond/Lake" water - BIG DIFFERENCE!. You might accuse me of getting hung up on words, but I'm sure Ms. Ringel assumes (correctly) that most rational people consciously &/or subconsciously equate "pool" with clean, clear water and "lake/pond" with dirtier & less clear water. I'm guessing she insists on calling Graydon a "pool" because it sounds better than "pond", especially to new to town young mothers looking for a place to bring their children. Bet many of those young mothers/fathers have no idea that a young boy drowned at Graydon and his lifeless body COULD NOT be found for what 20 minutes! When a swimmer goes under the water and CAN'T BE FOUND, thats a problem that needs IMMEDIATE ATTENTION. What does our council do? Spend $11,000 on a WIBBIT! Real smart. Putting the loss of life aside, $10,000,000.00 judgements are WAY more expensive than sports lights.
Anne LaGrange Loving May 02, 2012 at 02:28 AM
Mr. Concerned Ridgewood Dad: Ms. Ringel is well within her rights to call it "Graydon Pool" because that is the official name. Go the the Village of Ridgewood website and you will see the heading: "Parks and Recreation Department - Graydon Pool." You insinuate that Ms. Ringel is somehow falsifying the official name in order to mislead people. Perhaps you should bring yourself out of anonymity and go to a Council Meeting where you could go through proper channels to propose a name change, if this is, as you state, "the issue" for you.
Concerned Ridgewood Dad May 02, 2012 at 03:10 AM
I'm not insinuating anything. People like Ms Ringel, and apparently you as well, enjoy swimming in pond water, that's fine, good for you! I personally think the tax payers of Ridgewood deserve better...& what on earth could be better than "Graydon Pool" you ask... Oh I don't know, clean, clear water and with it, the comfort of knowing that my kids won't come down with ear infections all summer! That would be a good start. The problem with going to the Council like you suggest is that the deck is stacked - they know they won't get elected or reelected if they dare oppose folks like you. The vocal minority "wins" the day. The people that think Graydon is a dangerous mud hole have already voted with their feet and their wallets by not joining. Have fun swimming in the pond this summer!
Lisa Ertle May 02, 2012 at 03:26 AM
Does anyone have an scientific evidence to prove that Graydon is likely to make people ill if they swim there? I hear a lot of "gross," "polluted," "disgusting" but still, no one seems to come up with anything. Marcia, how often is the water tested, who tests it, etc. My daughter has been swimming there most of her life, and she's never had a rash or gastrointestinal illness as a result. Has much illness been linked to Graydon, and if so, what type? Just wondering. One thing I do know is that when my child comes home from Graydon she does not smell like chemicals. When she comes home from swimming in the pool at camp she reeks of chlorine. That can't be good for her. We know what we like, and what's convenient, but we have a poor track record of knowing what's actually good for us. Many of us here like perfect lawns too, and we all know what that extra fertilizer and pesticides are doing to aquatic animals. Perhaps we should spend more time trying to protect the natural environment around us from chemicals and less time trying to "beautify" and sterilize everything. The day Graydon is turned into a bunch of concrete pools will be a sad day. There are already plenty of those in this world, no?
Laurie Goodman May 02, 2012 at 04:03 AM
Just to clarify, since you asked and since I do have this info, it costs $11 per hour to light the Stadium Field and $7 per hour to light Stevens Field. The Village does not "lose money" every time a game is played under the lights.
Tricia Mueller May 02, 2012 at 11:48 AM
What is the significance (positive or negative) of an endorsement from the Preserve Graydon committee? I have noticed a handful of active members leaving comments on the Patch and making appearances at council meetings. Does this group have a large number of community members currently contributing to this organization and actively involved?
Concerned Ridgewood Dad May 02, 2012 at 01:17 PM
Ms. Ertle, I think a scientific study sounds like an absolutely wonderful idea! During the obligatory membership drive this spring, lets solicit parents (preferably new to town moms w/ young children) to volunteer their kids to be part of the study. We'll get some water from the Glen Rock concrete pool (boo-hiss) and an equal amount of Graydon Pond/Lake water (rah-rah). For the actual test, we'll ask the wee ones to fill their sippy cups with water from either the Glen Rock pool or from Graydon.... which one do you think they'll choose? If we tried the same "study" with our Council members which would they choose? I know what you're thinking, this is absurd, swimmers don't "drink" water from either place. Adult swimmers probably don't but I'd bet toddlers "drink" quite a bit of water just splashing around in the "warm" end of the "pool". Since this study would never be allowed by the Broad of Health lets just agree that if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck & quacks like a duck, then guess what... Graydon "pond/lake" water is in fact "gross" and "disgusting" - ask any Ridgewood teenager.
Ridgewood Taxpayer May 02, 2012 at 01:49 PM
Wow Laurie, thanks for the balance sheet. I think Mrs. Loving directed the comment at "lights" but most of us would not have misunderstood the point. Turf/lighted fields have cost Village Taxpayers bucket loads of money due to costly flooding repairs so unless you can show how fields have earned money for the Village I can't imagine your point. Honestly, there is no reason to expect Graydon POOL or sports fields to turn a profit for the Village. Graydon is a treasure, a jewel and a delight to see and I applaud the efforts of those individuals who work tirelessly to preserve what makes this Village so special.
RdgwdGRock May 02, 2012 at 02:05 PM
how about a study to find out which pool bathers would rather pee in while swimming? clear or cloudy?
Lisa Ertle May 02, 2012 at 03:40 PM
Pool water is pool water, and pond water is pond water. One should accept that there are more and varied microbes in the pond. My question was, how sick are children getting from the pond water? Do you know? Are you suggesting we ask teenagers? Why don't we ask some of the healthy, successful teenagers who have worked there through the years? Did they get sick? I don't know, Concerned Ridgewood DAD, I must say that although sarcasm and vituperation sure amuse and attract attention in the comments, it's not very polite. I wish you would try to show more respect for others' questions and opinions...
Concerned Ridgewood Dad May 02, 2012 at 04:16 PM
Ms. Ertle, To be honest, increased cases of ear infections and diareah among Graydon swimmers doesn't concern me much. What concerns me is that the water at Graydon is murky to the point of being a grave public safety issue. I said it earlier and I'll repeat it now: when a swimmer goes under the surface of the water and CAN'T BE FOUND for an extended period of time that's a serious issue. I wonder if changes wouldn't have already been made if the drowning victim at Graydon was a 60 y/o Ridgewood resident who suffered a heart attack and slipped under the water instead of a "foreign guest who couldn't even speak english". I'm assuming the $10 million judgement against the town will be covered by insurance. If not, we're really screwed. In any event, does anyone know how much the premiums risen to insure Graydon since the verdict was handed down? If Graydon is so wonderful, how come the only teenagers at the place are paid lifeguards? I'm sorry but Graydon is an eyesore 8 months out of the year and has sadly become a financial liability time bomb for the town. Fix it or shut it down already.
News Man May 02, 2012 at 04:49 PM
Ask your Health pediatric advisor when your child is ill, has skin and eye infection what is often the first question he/she asks and others like this: 1. "Has your child been swimming lately, and where"? 2. Does the doctor then give your child an antibotic and not take a culture? 3. Why does he do that perhaps, because negative culture reports are required to be reported to the Board of Health and the information made public. Check with the Valley Health infectious deseases supervisors for the required process.
JAFO May 02, 2012 at 05:01 PM
Here are my ideas: 1. Put a row of trees around the entire fence perimeter so you can't see the pool/pond from the street. It would no longer be an eyesore 8 months out of the year. 2. Reimburse any Ridgewood family that joins a pool elsewhere the money they would have spent for annual membership to Graydon. So if it costs $200 bucks to join Graydon but they choose to pay $700 to join Paramus, then pay that family $200. Yes, that increases the pool's budget, but I agree with others that Graydon doesn't have to turn a profit.
Brian May 02, 2012 at 05:13 PM
While one tragedy is a terrible loss it does not necessarily demonstrate a problem. For 60 years or more people have been swimming in Graydon. I am not sure one accident should erase that track record. I agree that the pond doesnt fit the current hovering parenting style but maybe being confident enough to not feel a need to see your child every minute might be healthy for both you and them.
News Man May 02, 2012 at 06:38 PM
See an excellent Swimming Health Video on Crypto now before it gets buried in those other political postings: Click here and share please: http://www.doh.wa.gov/ehp/wr/illnesses.htm
Lisa Ertle May 02, 2012 at 06:45 PM
Thanks Dom.
Lisa Ertle May 02, 2012 at 08:34 PM
That's a useful site for people who swim anywhere. To date, has there ever been a reported (because it's reportable) outbreak of cryptosporidiosis or any major GI illness linked to Graydon? In the paper? Anywhere? Just wondering if anyone knows. Lots of kids are getting Swimmer's Ear from both pools and ponds. I've heard of kids getting folliculitis (a type of rash) from the pond. I wonder how often the lifeguards at Graydon have such a problem. They are in the water daily.
Lisa Ertle May 02, 2012 at 09:00 PM
Just One Opinion--perhaps we can suggest Christo wrap the pond up in a bright orange...and we can charge admission.
News Man May 02, 2012 at 09:40 PM
Check with Valley Nurse supervisors and local pediatricians, they know the stories behind the stories. In fact a sharp reporter and some health students could make an arrangement for a learning visit, Valley would enjoy that I'm sure.
Fan of Ridgewood May 02, 2012 at 10:40 PM
My understanding is that Graydon does not meet the higher standards of pool water than pond water. My daughters did get rashes from Graydon several years ago. So did others. My family is now at Paramus pool and very happy. I encourage people with young children to do the same thing. So, as far as im concerned, dont do a thing to Graydon. It looks pretty to drive by.
Lisa Ertle May 02, 2012 at 11:09 PM
Especially since I am a nurse! And a nurse I know who swims laps there each night of summer doesn't have any good stories for me either...
Concerned Ridgewood Dad May 03, 2012 at 12:22 AM
Ms. Ertle, As a nurse & mother, you know that young children are far more susceptible than adults to ear and respiratory infections and GI issues. Please save the "I know a nurse who swims laps every day" comments for another discussion. With that said, I do commend your use of the word "pond" for Graydon...VERY refeshing! And your Christo reference is soooo very cosmopolitan, its surprising you swim in a pond. Oh well.
Lisa Ertle May 03, 2012 at 02:43 AM
I swim in a pond to avoid sharks. I find all of that gnashing of teeth is so unpleasant. Mr. Concerned Ridgewood Dad perhaps you ought to bravely use your own name---now that sir, would be refreshing.
News Man May 03, 2012 at 02:16 PM
Thanks Lisa, please view your profile page for some requested updates if possible. Stay well and safe.
Joe Joe May 05, 2012 at 05:35 PM
ok News Man. Someone needs to do some research and figure out exactly how much money is comes in from the snack bar, and what exactly is payroll, cost of goods, utility, etc and show the community its net profit / (loss). Then, show us exactly the income and expenses for pool operation. Some from within City Hall claim that the pool makes money but the income is diverted to other accounts in the general fund. Mr. Gabbert, who received a big fat raise last year, should clear the air the pool income and expense, once and for all. From all the nonsense going on, one would think that the village managers are trying to sabotage the pool operation.
jp1 May 05, 2012 at 05:52 PM
The judgement is on appeal as it should be.
jp1 May 05, 2012 at 05:57 PM
I was living in town as a teenager and did not go to Graydon much because we went to the shore,home pools Cape Cod etc., personally i still have yet to meet anyone who has gotten sick or come home with green hair when swimming at Graydon.

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