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VIDEO: Christie Rips 'Callous' House Republicans

Governor rips GOP: There is 'one group to blame for the continued suffering of these innocent victims, the house majority and their speaker, John Boehner.'

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Ridgewood Mom January 06, 2013 at 01:21 AM
Edward and John, I am stunned by the personal nature of your attacks on Dan, and also by their lack of moderation by site administration. It is sad that when the facts are against you and reality is against you that all you are left with is pounding the table and name calling. You present an excellent example, here, of the very callousness that Gov. Christy referred to. How much do the two of you bring in and pay in taxes? I know that I bring in plenty and pay plenty. I always pay all my bills on time and have never had the misfortune of being taken to court. But I know that I am not better because of it. Neither are either of you, if your records are so perfect. Here are a couple of questions. If I were to demonstrate that I brought more in then both of you combined, paid more in taxes and managed my bill payments better, would you acknowledge that I necessarily must work harder then you have? Would you then agree that my contributions to society were necessarily more innovative and useful then yours? Somehow, I doubt that you would see it that way. Dan is right. Everyone who has money has had help that has allowed them to obtain it. After all, money is a social instrument. The government is a huge part of any individual's financial success, not only because it provides countless services that we all depend upon but because, ultimately, it prints the money and establishes the playing field by which all money making occurs.
Edward P. Campbell January 06, 2013 at 01:23 AM
Sorry about that John -- Try this: http://goo.gl/fxRqa
Edward P. Campbell January 06, 2013 at 01:56 AM
Part 1 Ridgewood Mom, there is no personal attack here. Facts are not attacks. Example, it is a fact that Dan ran afoul of NJElec laws, and was threatened with a $3,500.00 fine from the State. An attack would be more on the lines of me saying; Dan was the worst politician to ever serve Montville. Now to you. I noticed in another post of yours, you support government involvement in providing goods and services, and you labeled that as “good!” Okay that is your opinion, you are entitled to it, however I think it is dead wrong and I believe our federal government should be strictly held to the 18 enumerated powers as provided by Article 1 Section 8 of the US Constitution. I believe if we want to see the government involved in such things as FDIC, and Flood Insurance, then change the Constitution to allow it, otherwise forget it! As to how much you paid in taxes, or how much money you earned and spent, it is none of my business. Real estate taxes are published to ensure all houses are fairly assessed, as it is the nature of the system. FTR, I do contribute a lot, not only in terms of taxes, but also donations, and a large personal involvement of my time, but that’s my business, and I have no desire to share it with you, nor does it matter to me if I do more or less than you, but I’ll take this opportunity to thank you for your efforts!
Edward P. Campbell January 06, 2013 at 01:58 AM
Part 2 - Ridgewood Mom: Money is NOT a social instrument, it is the media in which we barter with each other to fairly obtain goods and services. As to the government and the money it prints, as far as I’m concerned they can burn every last worthless dollar of their fiat money, I prefer gold, food, clothing, shelter, weapons and ammunition to fiat money!
Edward P. Campbell January 06, 2013 at 02:22 AM
John, Thank You! I see you are kind of a doom and gloomer? Me too, but I pray each and every night that I’m wrong, just like I pray I never have to use the fire extinguisher next to my kitchen stove, or the air bags in my car to save my life. But regardless of my prayers, I stay prepared, my fire extinguisher is charged and checked, my air bags are charged and check, I always wear my seatbelt, and I keep a picture of the Titanic on the wall of my office to remind myself why I do those thing. You see, on that dreadful night the few people who ran for the life preservers and life boats after the ship hit the iceberg were laughed and scoffed at by all the others on the ship. But today we call those that prepared early for the obvious survivors, and the rest who didn’t ……… Dead!
BellairBerdan January 06, 2013 at 02:52 AM
It's shameful to see the glee that some take at the misfortune of others.
Ridgewood Mom January 06, 2013 at 03:14 AM
Edward: "like most roads in front of someone’s home Private Enterprise built them, not the government. Are you saying that you live in a private development community with privately maintained roads, or do you not know who built the road in front of your house/apartment? Edward: "the property taxes I paid for that public education are 20 times more than what a private school costs" Really? NJ private school tuition averages about $20,000 per student. You refer to your children in plural form. So assuming you have just two children, your cost would be about $40,000 per year. You say that the taxes you paid for their public education are 20 times more then that. Assuming that 100% of your property tax bill goes to your children's public school education, which it doesn't, that would that mean that you pay $800,000 a year in property taxes. I don't believe you. Edward: "As far as public transportation, it neither helps me or my business," Bull. Even if you don't use public transportation, if you or your business (if you really have one) interact with anyone, then you depend on their ability to get around.
Ridgewood Mom January 06, 2013 at 04:27 AM
They are personal attacks because you are focusing on Dan and his character and not on the topic of Christie and what he termed as "callous." If you were arguing against Dan's points about the role of government in assisting people then you would be offering something that supports that case, and not something that attempts to make a case against Dan. Ad hominem, as such, usually stems from insecurities over a failure to present reasonable argument. Regarding earnings and taxation, do I understand correctly then that, like me, you do not believe that the simple matter of having money necessitates any sort of deserving or representation of harder work put in? And regarding your feelings that my relative degree of wealth does not matter to you, does that mean that you would respect me as much so if my situation were as Dan's as if it were like Donald Trump's or a recent Powerball winner?
Ridgewood Mom January 06, 2013 at 04:29 AM
"Money is any object or record that is generally accepted as payment for goods and services and repayment of debts in a given socio-economic context or country." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money
Ridgewood Mom January 06, 2013 at 04:38 AM
Edward, Do you grow, raise, cultivate, hunt and/or kill all of your own food? To do you cook it all yourself? Did you make the ovens, plates and eating utensils, dining room table and chairs, etc. that you use entirely yourself? What about the napkins?Did you build every inch of your house and everything in it with your own hands? What about the materials used to construct it with? Where did you obtain those? And your gun? Did you carve it out of a tree yourself, smelt the metal that you mined yourself and mix your own gunpowder with minerals that you found in the hills? Where did you learn to do those things? Was no one else involved in teaching yo such thing? My bet is that you traded some money for some of all that.
Ridgewood Mom January 06, 2013 at 04:44 AM
I do everything I can to be prepared as well, but its much better knowing that, if something really bad happens, someone has got my back or will at least care to try to. And few things make me happier then knowing that, in a time of need, I can help someone else out as well.
Ridgewood Mom January 06, 2013 at 05:04 AM
Are you prepared with your "weapons and ammunition" too, Edward? http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/12/wow_waiting_for_the_apocalypse.php?ref=fpblg
Ridgewood Mom January 06, 2013 at 05:13 AM
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/12/17/newtown_and_the_doomsday_preppers?page=full
Cletus January 06, 2013 at 09:03 AM
These attacks are extremely disturbing, I agree, and am also concerned that Patch admin is so passive/absent concerning responses to Mr. Grant that border on stalking.
Cletus January 06, 2013 at 09:10 AM
Speaking of the Titanic, one cannot help but chuckle at the mental image of Edward P. Campbell's great grandfather dressed in a fetching frock, elbowing women and children out of the way to snag his seat on a lifeboat while John's illiterate counterpart goes down in steerage. Just the way it should be, amirite, teabaggers?
Hookerman January 06, 2013 at 01:25 PM
Hey Ed, here's a little test for you. The next time you get in your car and want to gosomewhere, try getting to your destination without travelling on any public roads, or going over any public bridges. Get back to me and let me know how that worked out for you.
Ojo Rojo January 06, 2013 at 01:26 PM
RM, money is a very useful tool for those of us who are productive that helps us trade the value of our labor for goods and services we could not otherwise make for ourselves. But it isn't the money that has value, it is our labor that has value. Money is just a means of storing and exchanging the value our labor creates. Perhaps if you did something besides shill for those who just seek to take the value of our labor and redistribute it to someone else, you might get that.
Ridgewood Mom January 06, 2013 at 01:38 PM
The idea that Scott Garrett just wants to cut pork is a diversion. This is about not wanting to pay disaster assistance, period. He has a long demonstrated history on the matter. He might also not like spending on other things that he calls pork either, but this is a case of opposing spending, regardless of need, as a generalized principle, as an unreasoned and callous matter of knee-jerk ideology.
Ridgewood Mom January 06, 2013 at 01:43 PM
If this was about pork spending then why are you arguing the case for "personal responsibility?" Either (1) relief aid is GOOD and the government should help out but the pork needs to be trimmed, or (2) relief aid is BAD because it trains people to hold their hands out instead of standing on their own two feet and so the idea of pork is moot because spending is bad regardless. You can not maintain consistency and argue both ways.
Edward P. Campbell January 06, 2013 at 02:08 PM
Ridgewood Mom – You said - “ I (you) can help someone else out as well.” You’ve also mentioned your net worth is fairly high. Given that then why don’t you put your words to actions, and pay Dan’s water bill for him? In fact why don’t you just pay off all those people who need help paying for their water in Montville? After all, it is not their fault they have fallen on hard times is it? BTW, if you think the government has done such good job printing money, why is it that it now takes so many more dollars to buy an ounce of gold, than it did in 1970? Hint, the gold didn’t change, but the value of the dollar did! Think Nixon and 1971!
Edward P. Campbell January 06, 2013 at 02:18 PM
BellairBerdan I take no glee in the misfortunes of others. I too have suffered many misfortunes in my life time. The only thing I object to here is the ones who seem to think I am somehow obligated to help them with their misfortunes, while they have never helped me with mine!
Dan Grant January 06, 2013 at 02:31 PM
John and Edward, since you have attacked on so personal a level without the true facts (a Tea Party Tactic) let me say this. I am 65 years old and paid everything as I was required to until outside events changed my life. I wish you the same kind of events that occurred in my life, which in short means that you and your wives should both get cancer as self employed people. Let's see how self reliant you are then. Yes I live in Mt. Laural Housing. That is a fact. No judge ever ruled that I lied about anyone. There was a settlement in that case in which there was no monetary reward and no appology. The ELEC fine was for a supposed failure to file a form (1 out of 100) that simply said I was not going to spend any money in an election in which I spent no money. The fine was reduced to $150.00. Edward why don't you list where you live and how many children were educated because I don't believe you paid for your childrens education. The community did and you contributed to that but in no way did you pay the full cost. If you believe that finding yourself in dire financial circumstances is any way to live at 65 then you have no view of how many people in America find themselves in those circumstances and I hope that you learn by personal experience. BTW I bought no house for a $1.00 you have the wrong Dan Grant.
Dan Grant January 06, 2013 at 02:42 PM
PS, I, Like most of the people you distain go to work 6 days a week in an attempt to get back on my feet. If it is successfull fine and if it isn't I make no complaint about my circumstances. Life happens and it happens to way too many people in America. Seeking work at 65 is no picnic. You can say that people like me have no right to opinions on the issues of the day and are wrong on public policy based on their particular lives but that is not how America works. My guess is that you would be far happier if only white property owning men were the only voters.
Ridgewood Mom January 06, 2013 at 08:06 PM
Ojo Rojo: "But it isn't the money that has value, it is our labor that has value. Money is just a means of storing and exchanging the value our labor creates." That was my point to Edward. Wealth is not money. Wealth is goods and services. Money is just a (fallible) social tool used to represent wealth and to assist in barter and exchange. A person does not create wealth simply because they have money or acquire money. Of course there are boundless examples of persons who obtain much money and do not contribute labor, examples of persons who contribute much in the way of labor and obtain little in the way of wealth, and examples of deserving wealthy and poor individuals. The important thing is to recognize that the simple matter of having money does not NECESSARILY equal harder work, greater ingenuity, etc. People who are relatively poor are not NECESSARILY lazy moochers. Its about having a very basic level of deserved humility. People who fall victim to financial hardship due to natural disasters, like hurricanes and such, are not lazy moochers. Many of them are harder working people who did everything more right then did many of us with a whole lot more.
Ridgewood Mom January 06, 2013 at 08:22 PM
I'm not sure if I did say that my net worth was fairly high. What is high is relative. Many have more then me and many have less. I pointed out that I would fit your stated criterion for being financially responsible, meaning that you have no reason to speak abusively toward me as you do to Dan, and I asked you rhetorically about what it would mean to you if I was doing better financially then you were. Alas, we will probably never know the answer because neither your finances, which you have stated are personal, nor mine have been exposed here in the manner that you have seen fit to expose of Dan's. My point was that our relative wealth shouldn't matter. I don't really care what you or Dan or anyone else makes, in relation to me or others, and want you to understand that it doesn't matter. That sort of measure says little to nothing about any of our relative merits or human worth. And that is why Dan was right and you were wrong before you saw fit to attack him.
I plead the 2nd tchk tchk January 06, 2013 at 08:23 PM
Tea party means, Taxed enough Already. Why do you liberals always try and demonize people who live with in their budgets? Typical liberal tactic. You and the likes of you have destroyed this country beyond repair. I guess just enjoy it while the fantasy lasts, you will be dead before you see the true results of what you have done to this country. your a pig.
Ridgewood Mom January 06, 2013 at 08:26 PM
That is usually how it works, Edward, and why I feel for you. It is usually the people who have suffered and are hurting the most who act most callously toward others.
Edward P. Campbell January 06, 2013 at 08:36 PM
Dan, I would never wish cancer on anyone, not even you. But since we are disclosing so much here know this. I am a cancer survivor, 7 years in remission now. (Gees Dan, I guess your wish did come true) My wife was seriously injured by a drunk driver, and requires mechanical aid to get around. I, too, am self employed. Also, just to be clear, the drunk that hit my wife had no insurance, and no money, so don’t go getting the idea we are living off some type of lawsuit we won against him! In fact for the record the “help” we got from the government was being told – you can sue him, but he probably doesn’t have any assets to cover any type of settlement anyway! But back to you Dan. Here you are paying a tenth of the amount of property tax you should be paying living in Mt. Laurel Housing, on the Internet, using your computer, paying an I.S.P, but not paying your water bill, thereby forcing all the other rate payers to make up for what you didn’t pay. Dan, I’m sorry for your misfortunes, but I think you have a heck of a lot of nerve sitting here posting on a $1,000.00 computer, using an I.S.P that cost you $600.00 a year and you are not man enough to own up to your responsibilities, and yet you have the nerve to condemn my life style? BTW, that $1.00 house. You didn’t sell that to one of your children, so you would qualify for that Mt. Laurel apartment, now did you? PS. Every American Citizen has a right to vote, why would you think different?
Edward P. Campbell January 06, 2013 at 09:58 PM
More Liberalism – Cleute would rather see Censorship then True Facts Posted! Cyber stalking? Are You Kidding Me! It is PUBLIC Record and in fact Public Knowledge, believe me, many, yes many in Montville know the Dan Grant Story. Ask anyone he ever sued, or had the courage to run against him!
Dan Grant January 06, 2013 at 09:59 PM
I don't condemn your life style I condemn your selfish elitist attidude and your belief that "You built it Youself" and too bad for anyone else. This discussion started to be about the misery and distruction of people (not me I don't have a shorehouse) and you very quickly turned it into a personal attack about me. Since you are so good at looking up my backround why don't you look at the complete picture of the sale of our family house including the dates and look at when I bought a unit of Mt. Laurel housing and when this alledged sale for a dollar took place. You will see about an 8 year time lapse. As far as the computer and the internet go I need them for work (yes I do work) and the computer is old bought in better times and no I don't have a big screen TV or own a car. A car is a part of my compensation such as it is but I am out there 6 days a week trying to dig out of this hole. Regardless of my circumstances I still can muster a good deal of empathy for people who have it alot worse than I do. You clearly have none so in the end I would much rather be me than be you.

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