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Nativity Display Installed in Ridgewood Park

Second public religious display to be put up under policy adopted by the village council.

A nativity this week became the second public religious symbol to go up in Van Neste Square under a policy adopted this year by the Ridgewood Village Council.

The display, organized by two residents, was put up Monday at the corner of the downtown park near the intersection of Ridgewood Avenue and Oak Street, according to Heather Mailander, the acting village manager.

It occupies roughly the same spot where a menorah lighting was held last month to mark the beginning of Hanukkah. An informal committee working with Ridgewood’s interfaith community toward the menorah had been the impetus for the council’s approval of a policy allowing such religious displays in that area of the park.

As with the menorah, the residents filed an application and worked with village departments to transport and install the nativity display, Mailander said. According to the acting manager, no other applications have been filed for religious displays through Jan. 3, when the policy expires.

Mayor Paul Aronsohn, echoing a sentiment expressed during hearings on the religious display policy, said the intent from the beginning was to showcase the village’s diversity.

“This was an issue larger than the Jewish holiday – the whole idea [was] permitting religious expression,” Aronsohn said. “That was the intent the whole time. The menorah and Hanukkah coming early kind of forced the issue…but the idea was that this applied to all religious beliefs.”

The council approved a resolution in October allowing religious displays not exceeding 12 feet in height, width or depth at the corner of the park through January, pending passage of a more permanent ordinance.

Aronsohn said work on drafting that ordinance was still underway.

“We want to work through, let the holiday season happen and see what issues come up so we can learn from the experience and reflect that in the ordinance itself,” he said.

thetentman December 12, 2013 at 11:49 AM
LTR, you are an idiot. You are making the claim as to a gods existence and can't back it up. Changing the argument with misdirection will not prove your point. History is filled with the belief in hundreds of gods. No god has ever survived the demise of the people who believed in them. None! Where did Zeus go? He was top dog once. So which mythical deity to you believe in and why? Given there is no evidence to suggest such a being exists. Why do you persist? Please provide proof.
Long Time Resident December 12, 2013 at 12:16 PM
Tentman, I made a claim as to Gods existence? Really, where, when, provide for me the exact words I stated about God? Let me save you some time, I didn't make any claim as to a gods existence I referred to history. The fact that you degenerated and felt you needed to call me an idiot shows that you know you have lost this argument. Shame people such as yourself have to ridicule others just because they believe in something you don't. Your a sorry little person.
thetentman December 12, 2013 at 12:21 PM
I did not lose and you are an idiot for trying to argue a cause with no evidence. I am glad you are not a believer and apologize for pointing out your true nature. I thought you knew.
Long Time Resident December 12, 2013 at 12:42 PM
Just what I expected. Denial of the truth that you lost. Each time you call me an idiot you show your lack of character and inability to prove your claim. Clearly you are an uneducated individual who finds it necessary to ridicule that which you don't understand. Carry on Mr. Scrooge.
thetentman December 12, 2013 at 01:29 PM
So you don't believe. I win.
Long Time Resident December 12, 2013 at 01:42 PM
Exactly when did I say I don't believe in a supreme being (aka God?) And you still haven't proven a belief in a God is an old tribal superstition. Show me your proof.
Phil Brooks December 12, 2013 at 01:54 PM
Nice job, Tentman. I'm proud of you! // All religions sell stories, mysteries and other hokum. You'd like to think that, in this day and age and with our immediate access to knowledge (but is it really KNOWLEDGE people have or, rather, just some rudimentary UNDERSTANDING?), that we'd see organized religion for what it was. // Back in the good old days (like Medieval times, and not the place with the dinner and joust), it was the religious hierarchy that had access to books and other knowledge and their goal was to keep the general populace, people who rarely strayed out of their own villages, stupid. Because stupid people would believe anything that was drummed into their skulls long enough. Given what we know now, I'm surprised anyone would buy into the dog and pony show that is organized religion. It's one thing to go to church, synagogue, mosque, whatever, and feel spiritually cleansed. In my opinion, it's another to keep buying into the "mystery" thing and the strange stories that never change. // So, if Ridgewood treats everyone equally and doesn't mind a Festivus pole, I have no problem with a menorah or creche or whatever, though I think that should be displayed on the properties that don't pay any taxes rather than the public ones.
RidgewoodGuy December 12, 2013 at 01:55 PM
Wonderful Job, nativity scene looks beautiful!
thetentman December 12, 2013 at 01:57 PM
So you do believe. Please tell me why? What evidence are you aware of that says their is a god? I don't think you could prove a deity's existence in a court of law. And certainly you seem incapable of stating anything in a cogent manner that would sway a fence sitter. As for the tribal customs, well see this tribe, jews, were long time residents of what we call the Middle East. JC, the alleged messiah, was part of this tribe. Worshiping him or anyone else would be considered a tribal custom because in modern times with the benefit of SCIENCE we know that supernatural powers and magic do not exist. And since I am guessing that you are a JC follower I should point out that muslims would gladly show you the error of your ways. So how is your god different than theirs? But I am guessing you won't answer any of these simple questions because you just can't. I will also tell you that if you offer any incontrovertible proof of the existence of a god I will be the first one onboard. But you can't.
thetentman December 12, 2013 at 02:00 PM
Phil, I think next year I would like to display the FSM Helmet Of Happiness (metal colander). I would be honored if you would attend the ceremony.
Aladdin Sarsippius Sulemenagic Jackson III December 12, 2013 at 02:03 PM
"we know that supernatural powers and magic do not exist." Fact is, you don't know that. What was there before there was anywhere? Nobody knows this. And nobody ever will. That's what makes the universe awesome - because we don't understand it and never really will.
thetentman December 12, 2013 at 02:08 PM
See any evidence for magic today?
thetentman December 12, 2013 at 02:09 PM
And not knowing the answer does not default to god.
Phil Brooks December 12, 2013 at 02:24 PM
ASS Jack III, I do, too, know that. :-) Stuff like Superman, Batman and Spiderman are stuff of comic books. And, that the occasional story of an old lady lifting the front end of a car so someone trapped underneath can be pulled out can readily be attributed to an incredible adrenaline rush and not magic or supernatural powers. And, for that matter, magic is mere deception and misdirection, nothing more. // So, stuff like raising the dead and walking on water is either nothing more than a magic act or people writing BS and others believing it for the past 2,000 years. // Next you'll tell me that you really believe David Copperfield made a building disappear. // And, the difference between the scientist and the religious zealot is that the scientist will readily tell you (a) that he doesn't understand everything and (b) he's always looking for more knowledge. The religious zealot will tell you that the world is approximately 7,000 years old and the story book that guides them hasn't changed in 2,000 years (more or less, depending on your religion) and all the knowledge they need is in this one book.
Long Time Resident December 12, 2013 at 02:46 PM
Yes, I do believe in a supreme being. My presence in this world is all the evidence I need? Maybe I couldn't prove a deity's existence in a court of law. But then in many court trials the jury ends up with the wrong conclusion anyway so that doesn't prove very much. You may think I am incapable of stating anything in a cogent manner that would sway a fence sitter but can you prove that? I doubt it, and since I have had this discussion with other people, who by the way don't have a closed mind, and they agreed with some of my points, I can call your conclusion wrong on that point. Your family members before you came from tribes and they practiced tribal customs. But I am sure you will disown that. You rely on science to explain everything. There is so much that science has tried to explain and can't. You believe that science is the only way to really know truth. How could you prove that statement by science? It is actually self-refuting because there is no scientific test you could use to prove that it is true! Science cannot prove logic to be true because it assumes and requires logic in order for it to work. Many things, such as books, buildings and monuments such as the National Monument to the Forefathers - see link below to information on this monument http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Monument_to_the_Forefathers have been left behind by those who lived before us that speak of a supreme being. Of course if you refuse to see or read these things then you are ignorant and you would not believe of course.
thetentman December 12, 2013 at 02:57 PM
LTR, I was wrong you are not an idiot, it's much worse. I think ignorant is a better description of your rantings. So in your convoluted reasoning if someone in the past builds a monument to god that is proof. You being here is proof? The American education system is apparently broken or you are just senile. If you can't answer a question about whatever that means god did it. I can only hope you never had any kids and that you are the end of a genetic dead end.
RdgwdGRock December 12, 2013 at 03:20 PM
the Festivus pole will be unveiled Saturday afternoon "Festivus for the Rest of Us"
Long Time Resident December 12, 2013 at 03:27 PM
Yes tentman your ignorance knows no bounds, you fit right into the saying "There is none so blind as those who refuse to see."
thetentman December 12, 2013 at 03:31 PM
Tell me LTR where is the proof I am too see. You have nothing but platitudes and bupkis for evidence.
Sgt Joe Friday December 12, 2013 at 03:32 PM
LTR tent man is entitled to his opinion no matter how wrong it is. That is what is great about this country, being stupid is NOT a crime.
Phil Brooks December 12, 2013 at 03:35 PM
LTR, As I've said (and as the scientist would readily say), scientists already admit that they don't know everything. But they're always in a quest for knowledge and will also readily admit when new findings trump already acquired knowledge. The long and short of it is that they're (and me, too) are willing to learn. // A person such as yourself says it's all a fait accompli and that stuff written hundreds and thousands of years ago that has never been updated and monuments from hundreds and thousands of years ago are proof that God exists and that the religious way--the one where you believe in mysteries and the same broken record company line from places like the Vatican--is the only way. // The apparent difference between you and me is that I recognize your way, however archaic I think it is. And I think it's very archaic, but you have the right to believe. You apparently don't recognize my way, which is that science can explain most of what happened and that there's an explanation for those things we don't yet have an explanation for and that we'll eventually find the answers, even if they might never be found in my lifetime. But, that we don't know now doesn't mean we'll never know.
Phil Brooks December 12, 2013 at 03:41 PM
Sgt. Friday, If stupidity were a crime, you would have been locked up long ago. // And, by the way, that first sentence of yours speaks volumes of you. // I recognize your beliefs, however archaic they are. And, please note, they're not wrong, because they apparently work for you; they are merely archaic and simple. You don't recognize my beliefs, which include the part that says "We don't have all the answers yet." And, when we do, they sure as shit won't be found in one old book.
Sgt Joe Friday December 12, 2013 at 03:49 PM
Really Mr Brooks, you know my beliefs. Please tell me then what are my beliefs.
Long Time Resident December 12, 2013 at 04:01 PM
Tentman I admit I was wrong about you, your not just ignorant you are a sphincter muscle with a half a brain. How God could have made a mistake such as you is hard to believe. I guess even God has bad days. I think even science would have a difficult time defining what you truly are. Yes, it's clear the American Public Education system has been is a failure for you. I can't imagine anyone wanting to associate with you no less have kids with you so I am confident you are a genetic dead end, thank God.
Phil Brooks December 12, 2013 at 05:01 PM
Sgt. Joe, Your beliefs are to belittle others' and to call people names. I guess that's a belief in your world, at least.
Phil Brooks December 12, 2013 at 05:03 PM
LTR, As God supposedly created everyone in his own image, I'd have to presume that He is a sphincter muscle with a half brain. // But, worse than that, is that you believe in that sphincter muscle and all the stories in that old book.
Sgt Joe Friday December 12, 2013 at 05:26 PM
Yea, just as I thought Mr Brooks you don't know anything about me. You just felt it was necessary to enter the discussion and be argumentative!
DD December 12, 2013 at 05:30 PM
What a miserable, uninteresting group of people.
Phil Brooks December 12, 2013 at 08:32 PM
Sgt. Joe, I got here before you did and contributed noticeably more than you. Your first post was to belittle Tentman and you've added almost nothing since.
Ridgewood Mom December 12, 2013 at 09:14 PM
This "discussion" brings to mind images of Fred Phelps and Ruhollah Khomeini rolling around together inside Christopher Hitchens' ashtray.

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